adrianwarnock.com Adrian Warnock
This Site:

Favorite Sites:



Tuesday, April 10, 2007

The Atonement - An Attack on Penal Substitution


A couple of days ago, in the first of my posts on the atonement, I quoted Jeffrey John from an article in the London Telegraph. Today, I want to share more from the transcript of his talk, which is now available on Radio 4’s website. You can also listen to him for yourself here. The words of this talk are not really any different to those controversially aired by Steve Chalke. If you want to hear Chalke for himself, there is an interview in the archives here. Dr. Albert Mohler has come out strongly against the position aired by both Chalke and Jeffrey John. I hope that to most readers of this blog it will be immediately obvious why I disagree so strongly with the ideas expressed in this quote. I think these concepts are not only wrong, they are dangerous, and worse still, they risk robbing us of the true Gospel. I hope that as we study the issue of Jesus’ cross together, we will see that the biblical view of the atonement is neither what this vicar is responding to, nor what he explains as his view. For now, though, I am going to let him speak for himself:

“The explanation I was given went something like this. God was very angry with us for our sins, and because he is a just God, our sin had to be punished. But instead of punishing us, he sent his Son, Jesus, as a substitute to suffer and die in our place . . . In other words, Jesus took the rap, and we got forgiven, provided we said we believed in him. Well, I don't know about you, but even at the age of ten I thought this explanation was pretty repulsive, as well as nonsensical. What sort of God was this, getting so angry with the world and the people he created, and then, to calm himself down, demanding the blood of his own Son? And anyway, why should God forgive us through punishing somebody else? It was worse than illogical, it was insane. It made God sound like a psychopath. If any human being behaved like this we'd say they were a monster. Well, I haven't changed my mind since. That explanation of the cross just doesn't work, though sadly it's one that's still all too often preached. It just doesn't make sense to talk about a nice Jesus down here, placating the wrath of a nasty, angry Father God in heaven . . . the wrath of God is no more than a human projection . . . The cross, then, is not about Jesus reconciling an angry God to us; it's almost the opposite. It's about a totally loving God, incarnate in Christ, reconciling us to him. On the cross Jesus dies for our sins; the price of our sin is paid; but it is not paid to God, but by God . . .

On the cross God absorbs into himself our falleness and its consequences and offers us a new relationship. God shows he knows what it's like to be the loser; God hurts and weeps and bleeds and dies. It's a mystery we can hardly glimpse, let alone grasp; and if there is an answer to the problem of suffering, perhaps it's one for the heart, not the reason. Because the answer God's given is simply himself; to show that, so far from inflicting suffering as a punishment, he bears our griefs and shares our sorrow. From Good Friday on, God is no longer "God up there", inscrutably allotting rewards and retributions. On the Cross, even more than in the crib, he is Immanuel, God down here, God with us.” (Jeffrey John).

Continues with "The Historical Background to the Cross."

Labels: , , ,

More Headlines From This Blog
Back to homepage or visit the archive pages April 2003  May 2003  June 2003  July 2003  August 2003  September 2003  October 2003  November 2003  December 2003  January 2004  February 2004  March 2004  April 2004  May 2004  June 2004  July 2004  August 2004  September 2004  October 2004  November 2004  December 2004  January 2005  February 2005  March 2005  April 2005  May 2005  June 2005  July 2005  August 2005  September 2005  October 2005  November 2005  December 2005  January 2006  February 2006  March 2006  April 2006  May 2006  June 2006  July 2006  August 2006  September 2006  October 2006  November 2006  December 2006  January 2007  February 2007  March 2007  April 2007  May 2007  June 2007  July 2007  August 2007  September 2007  October 2007  November 2007  December 2007  January 2008  February 2008  March 2008  April 2008  May 2008  June 2008  July 2008 

25% Off Logos Bible Software

Add to Google Reader / Homepage

Subscribe via RSS feed or enter your email address here:

My Library

ADRIAN'S LINKS

In partnership with the Jollyblogger


WARNIE AWARD WINNERS


Reformed Charismatic Blogs

Other Links


BUY the Electronic Edition

YOUR ADVERT HERE


MY INTERVIEWS


Sermons on the Web


Previous Posts

Associated with

Small print

Opinions expressed in this blog are Adrian Warnock's alone, and do not represent the views of his church, employer or anyone else for that matter!

Material is often provided for your research purposes rather than as an endorsement. We ask you to report anything you see here or on a linked site that you feel may be inappropriate or may inadvertently breach copyright to adrian.warnock@gmail.com.

Creative Commons License This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial No-Derivs 2.0 England & Wales License.

ESV
Unless otherwise indicated, all bible quotations are from The English Standard Version © 2001, Crossway Bibles. Used by permission. All rights reserved. See my ESV Interview for more information

Services by:

Christianity Blogs - BlogCatalog Blog Directory

Powered by Blogger