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Together On A Mission 2008 - The Newfrontiers Conference


Begining tomorrow I will be live-blogging the Newfrontiers conference, Together On A Mission. (I will shorten this to TOAM.)

My posts will all be found on my TOAM08 label page.

You can download the mp3s of this week's talks by subscribing to the new Newfrontiers podcast, which will be an easy way for you to get access to the mp3s for free.

Newfrontiers is a family of reformed charismatic churches that began in England and now reaches into many nations. Last year we had 53 nations represented in Brighton; maybe this year it will be more. My live-blogging from TOAM07 and TOAM06 is also available.

The main visiting speaker this year is Mark Driscoll. I have a number of posts about him, including notes of sermons and an e-mail interview.

If you are interested in finding out more about Newfrontiers, the following interviews with leaders in Newfrontiers are helpful, some of which were carried out at New Word Alive. There is also a comprehensive Newfrontiers website.

TERRY VIRGO — Leader and founder of Newfrontiers

STUART TOWNEND — Co-writer with Keith Getty of the hymn "In Christ Alone"
JOHN LANFERMAN — Leader, Newfrontiers USA
NATHAN FELLINGHAM — Songwriter and member of Phatfish

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Saturday, October 28, 2006

Terry Virgo - The Leader of newfrontiers


UPDATE - I have published an interview with Terry Virgo

Well, I am back! I thought to begin with I would share a few links with you about the leader of newfrontiers - the worldwide family of churches on a mission of which I am thrilled to be a part. Terry is widely known on this side of the Atlantic, even outside of charismatic circles - I am not sure how true that is in the States. I do hope that you enjoy finding out a bit more about him.


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Saturday, July 08, 2006

Together On A Mission – newfrontiers Conference Summary Post


Now that the Together on a Mission conference is over, I thought I would share the highlights from my perspective. If you have never heard of us, my newfrontiers Special Edition of Links post should give you a good starting point. We had a great time with 54 nations represented at the confernece.

In true blogging fashion, these excerpts from the last few days are in reverse chronological order – which can be a bit confusing if you aren’t used to it!

Just a note before we get going about these posts – they are a mixture of the actual words of the preachers and my own reflections on the talks as I wrote – I have, if you like, let you all have a look over my shoulder as I wrote notes for my own use.

As such, I do want to give credit to the preachers where credit is due, but take the blame for any error I may have introduced. The best set of notes can never substitute for listening to the sermon itself, so I would encourage you to download these messages from the newfrontiers site.


TOAM - Final Session - Numbers 10, 11 - Terry Virgo


  • newfrontiers has been one of God's best kept secrets.

  • Let's make Jesus famous.

  • I would urge EVERYONE with any current level of Christian leadership, or any future desire to serve God in this way, to make sure that you listen to this talk when it becomes available. It is quite simply the best message on leadership I have ever heard.

TOAM - Seminars, Worship, and MOBILISE


  • The near ubiquity of prophecy . . . is impressive. No matter how much any given New Testament document may attack false prophecy or seek to regulate charismas, there is not a single instance in which the widespread phenomenon of the prophetic gifts is condemned or even questioned. It is regarded as part of the normal life.

TOAM - Session 8 - P. J. Smyth on "Penetrating Leadership"


  • "Someone radical, doing something radical, helped by another radical" - this is what attracts God's attention.

  • For some of us, God needs to put the "Lead" back into our leadership.

TOAM - Session 7 - Romans 1, 15, and 16 by Dave Devenish

  • Thus the objective and theme of Paul's letter to the Romans and his ministry is to bring about the obedience of faith in EVERY nation.

TOAM - Session 6 - The Person of Christ by Wayne Grudem


  • Don't let your lack of ability to understand cause you to reject the biblical truth. Jesus had to be divine to be the mediator and the substitute.

  • One nature of Jesus does some things that the other nature does not do. His human nature is no longer in the world, but His divine nature is still in the world - hence He could say, "I am leaving," but also "I will always be with you." Jesus could get tired humanly whilst remaining all-powerful.

  • EVERY KNEE WILL BOW TO THE CARPENTER OF NAZARETH! Who would you rather have as Lord and Savior?

TOAM - Thousands of international pastors reflect on the challenge of the Gospel


  • “I am writing these short thoughts in the hotel as I am about to go and lie down. Ironic, isn't it, that as the next session starts, my shingles pain is the worst it has been so far, just after we heard that faith-stirring talk on healing . . . this is part of the tension of living in the now, but not yet. Even in the midst of Bible times, Paul could speak of his friend nearly dying, and urged Timothy to drink wine because of his "frequent illness."” (I missed session 5 as a result.)

TOAM - Session 4 - 2 Corinthians 3 by Rob Rufus


  • We should expect that there is coming a great outpouring of the supernatural Holy Spirit that will exceed anything any generation has seen before.

  • Experience shouldn't shape our theology, but neither should our lack of experience shape our theology either!

TOAM - Session 3 - Hebrews 11 by Terry Virgo


  • This chapter is not simply about getting, claiming, and receiving; it's about making huge decisions rooted in things you know. The first act of faith was Moses refusing by faith - he didn't GET anything at that point! He REFUSED something instead

  • Biblical leadership is to be called, tested, and then given a sphere on the basis of what they have proved.

  • We have to allow God time in order to do a work in our soul before He will use us in leadership.


TOAM - Session 2 - Isaiah 9 by Dave Stroud


  • Words are one of the most powerful weapons in a leader's armory,

  • The King is coming and He will change everything . . . give yourself to the King!

TOAM - Session 1 - Acts 7- 8, 11:19 by Stephen van Rhyn


  • Beholding before going, encountering before commissioning.


  • Our actions matter . . . if we are going to reach new frontiers, it will require each one of us to win personal faith battles. Growing personal faith empowers apostolic advance.


  • We don't just tolerate diversity, we celebrate it!

    • TOAM - Live Blogging Together on a Mission - The Prelude


      • Some Christians are a bit dismissive of conferences and wonder what all the fuss is about. I say a conference is the closest thing to heaven we are likely to experience on earth!

      • Lives changed. Missions assigned. The Word preached. Truths grasped. Cynical hearts broken down. Hope restored. The Spirit poured out. Spiritual gifts received. Leaders created. Churches restored. A new beginning. Back to the real world. Souls saved. GLORY TO GOD!

      As I concluded my final set of notes . . .

      The conference has ended. Let the global reverberations begin!

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      Friday, July 07, 2006

      TOAM - Final Session - Numbers 10, 11 - Terry Virgo


      This is one of a series of posts about Together On A Mission – the newfrontiers conference

      The sense of prophetic expectation and commission was heavy in the air throughout the worship time. One prophetic word which stood out spoke of how newfrontiers has been one of God's best kept secrets! The word said we should expect others to suddenly want to know more about us. Perhaps this blog will have a small role to play in this. If you are intrigued about this family of churches on a mission about whom I've been blogging, go visit http://www.newfrontiers.xtn.org/ and find out more - perhaps even find a newfrontiers church near you to visit and discover more about us!


      Terry's last talk at conferences like this is always a vision-casting and faith-building commission, so I feel that you will be well-served by listening to the whole talk. I only plan to take short notes from the talk, to whet your appetite. Just before the sermon, there was a fantastic video clip which included a phrase which stands out from the week - "Let's make Jesus famous."


      Before Terry shared, the total from last night's offering was shared with the congregation. This was just a few thousand pounds short of one million pounds.


      Nigel turned the tables on Terry and introduced the man who has been introducing all the other preachers as "the man who fathers this movement." Then, as he stood up to preach, something happened which I don't think we have ever done before - entirely unprompted by the platform party and despite hand signals from Terry to discourage us, the entire congregation rose to their feet, united as one, and gave Terry and the God he serves a fairly long standing ovation! Somehow it felt right and not at all man-glorifying. As Terry began to speak, the feelings of love and family that so mark this movement were clear.


      Terry opened the Bible at Numbers 10. He explained that for a people like newfrontiers, with a great vision, it is not just a matter of a moment at a conference. Instead, the endurance of the leader - who often stands at the pressure point - is crucial. His talk was aimed at helping us to go "on and on" with God. He explained what a high point Numbers 10 was - including as it does the famous quote, "Come with us, and we will do you good." At that point, the people of Israel had great confidence because GOD was with them. But then, he explained, he wanted instead to speak this morning on the next chapter, Numbers 11, and the complaints and pressure that all leaders face at times.


      I found myself thinking as he masterfully read a significant portion of the chapter of what was said about Lloyd-Jones - that listening to him read the scripture was more informative than listening to most men preach. Certainly his pastoral heart and empathy with the passage were very clear, and he made it live.


      As he began to preach, I stopped writing notes. I knew instantly that I should just listen. That is not to say that notes would not have been helpful, nor indeed that others were not furiously writing. I just wanted to let the full impact of this message shape me, rather than focusing on writing it down. I found this message to be quite simply the best message for leaders at any level in the church. I did not write notes because it was a sermon that demanded to be listened to with full attention.


      I would urge EVERYONE with any current level of Christian leadership, or any future desire to serve God in this way, to make sure that you listen to this talk when it becomes available. It is quite simply the best ever message on leadership I have ever heard. Get the downloads for the conference and make SURE that you listen to this one. Perhaps like Piper at Together for the Gospel it might be wise not to listen to this one first. Terry Virgo is a father-figure to the whole global church and one of those men you need to get to know! If you have never heard him preach, start with this one, or whilst you are waiting for the downloads to be available (keep watching this blog!) try listening to him when he preached on Romans at the UCCF.


      The conference has ended. Let the global reverberations begin!

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      TOAM - Seminars, Worship, and MOBILISE



      My coverage of this newfrontiers conference has largely omitted whole aspects of the time together. To get a feel for the worship of the conference, live worship CDs have been produced over the years by newfrontiers, including the Stoneliegh Praise albums, but being here is even more potent.

      Mobilise is a bit like a parallel track, or conference within a conference, with their own sessions and seminars but they do join us for some of the main meetings.

      Seminars and training tracks have largely passed me by this year due to the shingles. The number of practical sessions is overwhelming, and my friends have been giving good reports of all of them. For example, Rob Rufus and Wayne Grudem each did several extra sessions for both age groups.

      I will share briefly now from this morning's prophecy seminar, although I won't give a lot of detail. John Groves shared a lot of personal experiences, but began his talk with a survey of the biblical evidence for prophecy, which he concluded with a quote from MacDonnell and Montague:
      The near ubiquity of prophecy . . . is impressive. No matter how much any given New Testament document may attack false prophecy or seek to regulate charismas, there is not a single instance in which the widespread phenomenon of the prophetic gifts is condemened or even questioned. It is regarded as part of the normal life.
      Once John had finished his theological introduction, the rest of the talk was based on his vast experience of the prophetic. John has had several words which have shaped newfrontiers over the decades. His talk gave us examples and wisdom about the use, assessment, and value of prophecy in the church.

      I would strongly commend the audio of this seminar, and the rest of the seminars from the conference. The practical help and training are very different from the main sessions, and listening to them will give you things to apply in your home situation.
      This is one of a series of posts about Together On A Mission – the newfrontiers conference

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      Thursday, July 06, 2006

      TOAM - Session 8 - P. J. Smyth on "Penetrating Leadership"


      This is one of a series of posts about Together On A Mission – the newfrontiers conference
      Terry, during his introduction, recommended the series on Ephesians by Lloyd-Jones which is now available in a reduced price paperback version. He also recommended the new volume released, Preach the Word, edited by Greg Haslam. I can add my recommendation to the first - it having been foundational in my life many years ago, and having listened to the audio from the conference on which the second is based, I have high hopes for it as well.

      I will share somewhat shorter notes from this talk, largely because it was the kind of sermon that gives itself more to that � the talk is peppered with stories and illustrations, so it would be worth listening to it when it becomes available.

      1 Samuel 14 - ". . . nothing can hinder the Lord from saving by many or by few . . ."

      Three CONSEQUENCES of penetrating leadership:

      1. It draws God into the battle. P. J. said, "someone radical, doing something radical, helped by another radical"- this is what attracts God's attention.

      2. Chaos can result!

      3. It opens up the other side. "To boldy go where no man has gone before" is a good definition of biblical leadership. For some of us, God needs to put the "Lead" back into our leadership.

      P. J. then challenged prophets and preachers to be bolder in our proclamation, and to be expectant.


      Three CHARACTERISTICS of penetrating leadership:

      1. It is fueled by the promises of God � e.g. "I can do all things by God who strengthens me," or "The earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord like the waters cover the sea." Leadership decisions are tested � in this case his armour bearer.

      2. You put God first in your lifeyou die to self.

      3. You are content with the "maybes" - There is a bit of a RISK that occurs � I am not absolutely sure, but I think God is saying this.

      Three RESPONSES of a penetrating leader:

      1. A restrictive or religious response � Saul � form over substance - bound the army under an oath. Even to the point of killing his son!

      2. A reasonable response � the soldiers � NEVER! God was in it, don�t kill him. Tozer: "Faith is not a once-done act; it is a continuous redirecting of our sight, getting ourselves out of focus and God into focus."

      3. A radical response � verse 7 � armour bearer - he articulated his support. Agreement and unity brings God�s blessing. Followers complete leaders.

      P. J. said, "Leadership is about leading," not "officers to the rear!" "It�s not just a name - it�s a function."

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      TOAM - Session 7 - Romans 1, 15, and 16 by Dave Devenish


      Terry introduced Dave in the warmest possible way, telling us jokingly that if (like me) you have yet to read his book on the church, "you deserve a slap!" The friendship between these two men is palpable.


      Dave began by reading large portions of Romans 1, 15, 16. How to begin and end sermons is important - some start by telling a joke or with a story, or thunder out the main point; others will make confessions. Dave made the point that he had been insulted by both of the first two preachers - even Dave would have to admit that his inability to sing or do DIY is legendary, however!


      All too often Romans is a book we dip into rather than read from beginning to end. We often ignore the ending of Romans apart from mentioning the personal relational way in which Paul builds. Paul, in his introduction, summarises the Gospel; in chapter 15 he describes his apostolic ministry, and he concludes in chapter 16. They all talk about the same theme the obedience of faith for the sake of his name. Chapters 1:15: "bring nations to obedience, chapter 16 obedience of faith. Thus the objective and theme of Paul's letter to the Romans and his ministry is to bring about the obedience of faith in EVERY nation.


      Romans 1:5 - bring glory to God everywhere he has been commissioned to go to the whole world.


      What is the Gospel? It is summarised in chapter 1 and worked out in the rest of the book - it is the good news of the now-reigning Christ, and all nations must obey Him. Paul interprets the Old Testament stories in the light of Christ. Adam, Abraham, the prophecies of the Messiah, the suffering servant - all are fulfilled in Christ. Paul says Jesus has come and brought propitiation. Jesus is the reigning Messiah.


      Let's preach the Gospel! This king Jesus is now claiming the whole world! By grace and apostleship Jesus calls all the nations to the obedience that comes from faith. Caesar's generals didn't invite people to have an experience; they COMMANDED people to obey. Similarly, Jesus is commanding - not through the law, but through grace. God's undeserved favour is to flow throughout the world.


      It is not a matter of telling people 'don't do this' or 'do this ritual.' Instead, obedience springs from faith in the glorious message of faith. We are to obey it from the heart.


      Our commission, the commission of EVERY Christian, is the same as Paul's grace and apostleship to bring the whole world to submission. (NB - a note for all the non-newfrontiers readers here. By apostleship Dave means a commission from God to GO into all the world and call people to submit to the Gospel i.e. we are acting as God's messengers, representatives, or ambassadors. Paul was an Apostle, but Ephesians 4 makes it clear that for each of these gifts their role is to get the rest of the church doing the stuff thus we are looking for an apostolic, prophetic, evangelistic, pastoral, instructing people of God where every member feels the need to do all these things.)


      Paul speaks of being a slave to the cultures he is trying to reach because of the passion he has for this message. Why did Paul feel there was no room for him to work there anymore? We have to take Paul's drive to preach where Christ was not known seriously. Paul was always keen to plant reproducing churches that could then carry on the work, so he didn't see it as his role to evangelise so that every person would be saved; instead, once the churches were planted, he wanted to move on.


      Three reasons to reach the totally unreached: prophetic promise, apostolic passion, and eschatological necessity -the Gospel MUST be preached in every nation. There is also an issue of the contemporary urgency with secularism, the advance of militant Islam, and the needs of the lost. We believe in the power of the Gospel to bring every nation to faith.


      Dave is a truly motivational speaker and spent some time sharing fantastic stories of God working in the nations among newfrontiers churches to bring remarkable instances of salvation, which would in themselves make the download worthwhile.


      Who are the unreached?
      A culture which does not have a self-sustaining vibrant church. Some say it should be defined as a culture where less than 2 per cent are evangelical, and on that definition most of Europe would be unreached. Dave then showed us some selected slides of people groups who have yet to be reached, some of whom we as newfrontiers are already working with or near.


      What is stopping us reaching the unreached?

      • Non-missional churches - we need whole churches that are missional.
      • Culture-bound instead of cultural-challenging churches.
      • Identification by Muslims and others of Christianity with the West they feel that Hollywood morality represents what Christians do, and war is between Christianity and Islam. We can only overcome that by planting small communities of Christians that demonstrate that Christians aren't like that.
      • Cultural and linguistic challenges.

      Church planting is the only way to reach the world. Dave said he was going to preach this message of the nations until we are sick of it, and until we start to go.

      Dave closed his sermon with these words:

      God has a calling on us - we are together on a mission . . . and that includes going to those who have never heard the Gospel . . . we want to make an appeal similar to that made to Paul - 'Help us, please.' Encourage your people to go, and be willing to support them financially when that is needed. Please come! Come and help us . . . Don't ever say, "We are not working there." Jesus is Lord, Jesus is king, and He will return! Until that time, we are called to bring all the nations to the obedience of faith.

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      Wednesday, July 05, 2006

      TOAM - Session 6 - The Person of Christ by Wayne Grudem


      If you are wondering what a serious theologian like Wayne Grudem is doing preaching at a charismatic conference, then you have yet to meet a group like newfrontiers. There are charismatics who are as committed to the preaching of God's Word as the average cessationist. Indeed, many of us would argue that we take the whole of the Bible seriously as our guide to doctrine and practice - including the books of Acts and 1 Corinthians! In fact, there has already been a lot of biblical teaching at the conference, as regular readers of this blog will realise.

      One bit of good news is that it was announced during one of the notices that the audio of this conference will be available for download from their website www.newfrontiers.xtn.org some time after the conference ends. So let your anticipation grow as you wait for that time!

      On a personal front, the afternoon's rest back in the hotel really helped my nerve pain. I even had time to read a newspaper, and I will be linking to a couple of interesting articles in tomorrow's links. I have also discovered that there is a "nursing parents" room where the audio and video of the meeting are piped into the room. I am sitting in this air-conditioned room in a cushioned chair, which is allowing me to slouch a little, and has the effect of reducing the nerve irritation significantly. Another benefit of being in this room is that I can hear the band and singers more clearly on the audio feed - the others in this room are not singing nearly as loudly as the sound of 4000 charismatics singing with all their might! Of course, another factor that may help me is that I am also not going to be tempted to even sway a little as I did this morning since I won't be surrounded by people doing the charismatic hop!

      Once again during the worship there were several prophecies shared. Even in the notices, the prophetic came to the fore as Nigel Ring reminded people of a prophecy given ten years ago that we would be a movement that would be a blessing to millions of people and that millions of pounds of money would flow through us to bless the nations.

      One of the articles that will be included in tomorrow's "links" speaks of how money given to aid agencies can be swallowed by administrative costs and be put to projects that don't meet the real needs felt locally. One of the strengths of our family of churches is that we have real relationships stretching across all the continents of the world. This means that when financial needs arise, we can give money directly into the hands of churches led by local indigenous leaders in many of the poorest nations of the world, confident that our friends will spend the money wisely.

      The worldwide extent of the newfrontiers family and the breaking down of barriers to church planting came across so clearly in the video that was shown tonight. With all the talk on mission, after the video finished Terry quoted Piper, who said, "Mission exists because Worship doesn't." Terry encouraged people to buy Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology (one of the books I encourage every Christian to read) which he told us now has 100,000 copies in place. Terry also recommended the new short paperback summary of this which has recently been published.

      Wayne Grudem introduced his talk by saying that Terry had asked him to speak on the person of Christ and how Jesus can be both God and man. He aimed to give us, if you like, a lecture on christology.

      The Humanity of Christ - He was Fully Human


      He was born of a human mother with no human father.


      He had human weaknesses and limitations - He increased in physical strength as He grew as a human being. He learnt how to read, and increased in His knowledge. Palestinians were trilingual - Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew. He became tired (John 4:26). He understands it when we are weary. He thirsted on the cross. He shared all our human experiences - "He was hungry" (Matthew 4:2). He wasn't a ghost; even after the resurrection He had flesh and bones and ate food. He took that physical body with Him into heaven.


      He had a human mind - He would have been given bigger responsibilities as He grew as a child. He never sinned, but was tempted by more and more difficult situations as He grew. He faced peer pressure as a teenager. Perhaps He was ostracised when He didn't sin. He grew in His ability to resist temptation - He learnt obedience through what He suffered. Mark 13:22 - with respect to His human nature, He did not know the time of His return.


      He had human emotions and was deeply troubled at times (John 13:21, Matthew 26:38). There was a weight of sorrow that felt almost like it would take His life as He considered what was coming as He would bear the full wrath of God. He wept. Hebrews 5:7 - He had loud cries and tears!


      He felt the needs of the world.


      He seems to have experienced the death of a parent, and then had to support the family - so He knew what it was to be the head of a household, although He had no wife. He would have experienced financial and sexual temptations - for the Word says He was tempted in EVERY way we are.


      He knew the pressure of having people asking Him to do more than He could - the crowds pressing around Him.


      He knew physical frailty - presumably He had illnesses of various kinds as He grew up. He is not unable to sympathise with our weaknesses. He understands what I am facing today, what you are facing today.


      Jesus was seen by the people near to Him to be just a man. People would say, "We have known Him for thirty years" (Matthew 13:55). The people were astounded that He was able to do what He did as they had no hint as He grew up that He was also God! Even His own brothers, who would have shared the same bedroom with Him, didn't realise that He was God and came to accuse Him of being mad!


      Mary knew because she had been told by the angel who announced His birth that her son was also the Son of God.


      He was without sin (Luke 4:14, John 8:29). "I always do the things that are pleasing to Him." - Don't you wish you could say that? (2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, 1 Peter 2:22, 1 John 3:5)


      He was truly tempted (Hebrews 5:8, Hebrews 2:18, Hebrews 4:15). There is a divine nature and a human nature, so He resisted in the strength of His human nature alone by trusting in God as we should.


      Could he have sinned? His divine nature meant that He could not have sinned, but His human nature meant that the temptations were real. Grudem used the illustration of a swimmer who went across the Channel with a divine rescue boat, so could not have drowned, but in fact He didn't use the rescue boat and faced them with His human nature - the swim is none the less a real one!


      Temptation is hardest for those who resist to the end - rather than for those who give in! Jesus' humanity is incredibly important to us - to represent us, to be our substitute sacrifice, to be our example, to be a sympathetic high priest, to be the mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5).


      He will always be a man in heaven! (Matthew 26:29, Acts 1:11, Acts 7:56, Revelation 1:13). He will be a man like US!


      The Deity of Christ - Jesus was Fully God

      Direct scriptural claims - the word theos was used (John 1, John 20:28), and John wrote, "This is why I wrote this book." Romans 9:5, Titus 2, Hebrews 1:8, and 2 Peter 1. 7 are verses that use the word God of Him.


      The word "lord" in the New Testament is also a claim to deity. It is the common word used in the Old Testament to refer to God. 6,814 times in the Greek translation it is used to refer to God. Over 200 times Jesus is called the Lord - e.g. Luke 2:11: He is the Messiah and the Lord. Prepare the way of the Lord means God is coming. "One lord, Jesus Christ."


      Other strong claims to deity. "I am the bread of life." "I am the resurrection and the life." "I am the light of the world." No creature could claim that. John 8: "Before Abraham was I AM" - and they wanted to stone Him. It is exactly a word-for-word quotation from the Greek translation of the OT. He was claiming to be the same as the One who identified Himself to Moses. He eternally exists - not "I WAS," but rather "I ETERNALLY EXIST." "I am the way, the truth, and the life," "the alpha and omega." Hebrews 1 is the key chapter for His deity. God created the world through the Son. He is the exact imprint or representation of God! If the Father is omnipresent, so is the Son, and in every other respect. He continually upholds the universe. This boy growing up in a small house is continually upholding the universe by His word and power!


      He knew the heart of everyone around Him - which suggests He was omniscient - "You know all things."


      He is omnipresent - "When two or three gather, I am there." "I am with you always."


      He is all-powerful - He said He would raise Himself from the dead (John 2:19).

      The fullness of God dwelt in the man Jesus - Emanuel, God with us (Colossians 1:19, Colossians 2:9).


      How do these two fit together?

      This doesn't make sense! Many sceptics claim it is incomprehensible, incoherent, and a myth. Our response is, "Of course, we cannot understand." To deny the idea that Jesus is God in the flesh we have to deny that the Bible is trustworthy.

      Don't let your lack of ability to understand cause you to reject the biblical truth. Jesus had to be divine to be the mediator and the substitute. We lose our salvation without the divinity of God. We need His deity to have Him reveal God to us and say, "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father." There is only one way to God - through Jesus.

      People have tried to explain how this could fit together. There are three inadequate views of which we need to be aware that are heretical, and which can also recur today if we don't warn against them.

      1. Apollinarism. Jesus had a human body only, but His mind and spirit were divine. But our minds, spirits, and emotions also need saving. He could not have been tempted in every way, and would have been a hollow man like Mickey Mouse at Disney. It wasn't a real mouse, it was just a costume! Inside the mouse was some non-mouse stuff! Jesus was not just a shell.

      2. Nestorianism. Christ was really two distinct persons in one body - like a circus horse where one man is the hind legs and one the front! They are not one horse! The gospels do not portray Jesus arguing with Himself like Gollum in Lord of the Rings! He always speaks of "I."

      3. Monophysitism. Human and divine nature mingled together a bit like an ink drop in a glass of water. A third substance different from ink or water is formed - can't use it to drink or write with! So He was more than human but less than divine. BUT, He is no longer God and no longer man - you lose on both counts! He is no longer human, but superhuman, and He is no longer God, but sub-God.

      The idea of a kenosis in Philippians 2 - Jesus emptying Himself can also make Christ less than fully divine on earth. But Philippians 2 does not mean that Jesus gave up His divine attributes. Don't give in to the heresy that came from this idea. He gave up His privileges of being in heaven, but NOT His divine attibutes.

      The Chalcedon Creed has been accepted for centuries by all wings of the church. This is summarised as being two natures in one person. There are two overlapping natures - the divine and the human, neither of which are changed, but which overlap and function together as one person. Jesus wasn't always man - He was always God. The human nature was a full man who did not previously exist, but was joined in one person to God forever. How could God join Himself for all eternity to a human nature like our own? Jesus was the eternal omnipresent, omnipotent God who could also walk around and talk! People could touch God. We can talk to Him, too. God is fully man and fully God.

      Grudem led the whole congregation in reading the Chalcedon creed:

      Following, then, the holy fathers, we unite in teaching all men to confess the one and only Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. This selfsame one is perfect both in deity and in humanness; this selfsame one is also actually God and actually man, with a rational soul and a body.

      He is of the same reality as God as far as his deity is concerned and of the same reality as we ourselves as far as his humanness is concerned; thus like us in all respects, sin only excepted. Before time began he was begotten of the Father, in respect of his deity, and now in these "last days," for us and behalf of our salvation, this selfsame one was born of Mary the virgin, who is God-bearer in respect of his humanness.

      We also teach that we apprehend this one and only Christ-Son, Lord, only-begotten -- in two natures; and we do this without confusing the two natures, without transmuting one nature into the other, without dividing them into two separate categories, without con- trasting them according to area or function.

      The distinctiveness of each nature is not nullified by the union. Instead, the "properties" of each nature are conserved and both natures concur in one "person" and in one reality. They are not divided or cut into two persons, but are together the one and only and only-begotten Word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. Thus have the prophets of old testified; thus the Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us; thus the Symbol of Fathers has handed down to us.


      Practical Application of This

      One nature of Jesus does some things that the other nature does not do. His human nature is no longer in the world, but His divine nature is still in the world - hence He could say, "I am leaving," but also "I will always be with you." Jesus could get tired humanly whilst remaining all-powerful. Matthew 8:24 - whilst He slept, He was also carrying the universe. He was tired. Wake up! Save us! He is stretching, opening His eyes, and says "peace be still". Jesus' human nature died, but His divine nature did not die for He was able to raise Himself from the dead. He was active in the resurrection.

      How can Jesus learn things but be omniscient - He had two wills and two centres of consciousness - He could learn the human alphabet, but know all things. Yet He remains one person! J. I. Packer - perhaps Jesus had something like our experience of calling something to mind - we know something, but have to think about it to remember it. So, although He could only know at any one moment what the human brain could contain, He could call to mind any fact that is known in the universe.

      Anything that either nature does, the person of Jesus does. Therefore, "before Abraham was I AM" even though it was His divine nature, or "I am leaving the world," even though the divine nature was not leaving, or how it is possible to say that the world crucified the Lord of Glory even though the divine nature did not actually die!

      Dare I myself also add here that perhaps this may go some way to explain why Jesus could speak on the cross of being forsaken by his Father, and yet somehow the unity of the Trinity was not broken?

      He will be God and man FOREVER. This is the most astounding miracle in the universe. EVERY KNEE WILL BOW TO THE CARPENTER OF NAZARETH! Who would you rather have as Lord and Savior?

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      TOAM - Thousands of international pastors reflect on the challenge of the Gospel


      We have reached half-way. The most striking thought is the need to WAKE UP to our responsibilities to PROCLAIM the Gospel, and EXPECT God to act in miraculous power. Boy, if just some of the leaders in this conference really began to focus their lives and ministries on reaching the lost and crying out for supernatural interventions, think what could be accomplished!

      I am writing these short thoughts in the hotel as I am about to go and lie down. Ironic, isn't it, that as the next session starts, my shingles pain is the worst it has been so far, just after we heard that faith-stirring talk on healing! I did think about slipping off and telling no one I was missing a session - and then I realised that a gap in the blogging would be obvious!

      I also bumped into a couple of people on the way out whom I know, so I am rumbled! One of those was Lex Loisedes, who confessed that he had Googled his name and found my blog through doing it. As he put it, I have made him famous online. I so wish that he would start a blog of his own, or at least get his stuff on the Net for us to listen to. His passion for the lost, for doctrine, and for the miraculous is exemplary and a great influence on many of us!

      Anyway, going back to the irony of hearing a talk on healing . . . then going to lie down because you are still in pain . . . this is part of the tension of living in the now, but not yet. Even in the midst of Bible times, Paul could speak of his friend nearly dying, and urged Timothy to drink wine because of his "frequent illness."

      Last Sunday, a prophetic guy said to me that God had made me to "limp" so that I would work in team. Ironically enough, just now, as I was about to leave the centre, I bumped into a great hero of mine, and as I was talking about the notion of teamwork with Greg Haslam on the way out of the gents (yes, we men DO sometimes talk in the toilets), I tried and failed to open a door, which it turned out had been built into a wall. I didn't have my door-opening team member with me!

      Certainly this current season of weakness is reminding me even more of my dependence on God and others as I serve Him. I only hope I don't need this reminder too much longer.

      It is a shame to miss the session, and so sadly you will not see notes from Dave Holden's talk, unless anyone who did make it sends me notes at adrian.warnock@gmail.com, or perhaps someone here lets me have some written notes to look at. Since this blog is a reflection on my own experiences, I suspect that, in fact, I may just not post anything from this session.

      I am going to lie on my bed and rest now, and reflect on the great messages I have heard so far. It is no bad thing to be cast back on God and reminded of the fraility of my human body. God can, of course, meet with me as well in my room as in the big meeting place, but those who know me will know how unlike me it is to just SLOW DOWN. Perhaps I can spend some time in contemplative prayer and meditation on Him. They say suffering is the megaphone God uses to teach us lessons we cannot learn in the rest of our lives, don't they!

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      TOAM - Session 4 - 2 Corinthians 3 by Rob Rufus


      Once again a fabulous time of worship. I was powerfully touched as we sang the song, "The spirit of the sovereign Lord is upon you . . ."

      Rob began his messge by explaining that he had been told by God that he was to come to this conference three days BEFORE Terry called him. This came to him as confirmation that an outpouring of the miraculous is coming to the UK. He felt that the weight of God's glory is coming.

      Rob based his talk on 2 Corinthians 3, where God tells us of a new covenant that is not of works, but of God�s work. The glory of this new covenant is from one step of glory to another.

      We do have tough times, and we must not forget that, but by the work of the cross, God intends to give us greater and greater blessings in the miraculous power of God. Do we hunger? Do we want far more of the presence and power of God? Do we want the experience of Acts where "all" were healed at times of God's special blessing? Do we crave it? If so, then this presupposes the existence of the thing for which we are craving! God is willing!

      We should expect that there is coming a great outpouring of the supernatural Holy Spirit that will exceed anything any generation has seen before. Many will pull back from expecting the supernatural because of our disappointments. "Hope deferred makes the heart sick," but it is through faith and patience that we inherit the promises.

      We should not let our disappointment be the father of our theology. We ahould ask God to lift our lack of experience to the level of the Bible rather than bend the Bible to our experience. God has an elevator to bring us into ever increasing glory.

      STEP 1
      We need an encounter with God which will undo passivity and a surrender to fatalism. Rob said that as a young charismatic Calvinist he drifted into hypercalvinism, which to quote Spurgeon, had become a bed for his passivity rather than a couch for his refreshing! As I was reflecting on this, I realised some will say, rightly, that experience shouldn't shape our theology, but neither should our lack of experience shape our theology either!

      This weight of miracles lifted and he felt God say, "I am taking it away for now so you can focus on Me, not miracles." For decades he had asked God, "Is this the year that anointing will return?" God said "no" every year, except this one, when He said "yes".

      STEP 2
      We need a genuine personal relationship with the Spirit. If we don't fall in love with God, we cannot sustain a season of many miracles.

      STEP 3
      We must not empty the cross of its power. Apologetics and theatre are good, but don't put faith in them. Don't argue - proclaim the Gospel! We will see power released when we preach the Gospel of the cross. Paul graphically and vividly declared what happened at the cross. If they can see it, whoever looks at it will be healed.

      STEP 4
      We must have a heart for the lost. God loves the lost. We have to ask ourselves as Rob said God asked him - "Why do you want My power to be manifested?" Bring the hopeless cases to church and expect God to act!

      I loved the fact that Rob told us clearly that no one can heal anyone, except God. He said that he had not even been able to heal himself of a fever which had been troubling him the last few days. In fact, he was preaching having only slept for an hour the night before because of that fever.

      If you are reading this blog and are cynical about the teaching, you simply HAVE to listen to this talk. Right now I am crying like a baby and simply cannot write notes anymore. We need God to move in the supernatural. Let's cry out to God to do what only He can do!

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      TOAM - Photos from the newfrontiers Conference


      Well, here I am in the free internet cafe provided by Christian Broadband, provider of Christian Technology for the conference (thanks guys!) This is where you will find me immediately after the sessions if you are at the conference. But then you probably aren't reading this if you are at the conference!

      Thought I'd share a couple of pictures with you of Brighton and the conference!

      Here is the pier, or rather the one that HASN'T been burnt down!


      And then, here are three photos from the conference centre:








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      Tuesday, July 04, 2006

      TOAM - Session 3 - Hebrews 11 by Terry Virgo


      The weight of glory in the worship time was palpable. Prophecy after prophecy reminded us that God was telling us it was TIME for His church to AWAKE and call on God to act and do their part. As Ginny, a lady from Sheffield with a recognised prophetic ministry put it, God is restoring to His people the ability to PROCLAIM and exercise AUTHORITY.

      There was an impactful video which drove home what we at newfrontiers are already doing evangelistically around the world, and it was very motivational to both act ourselves to make a difference where we are, and to give to support the work going on in other less wealthy nations, bringing both the Gospel and practical help.

      On the video one of the speakers said, "It is time for Jesus to become famous in the UK again." I am convinced that newfrontiers can play a significant part in seeing just that transformation of this nation happen again - we thank God that we already have hundreds of increasingly vibrant and grace-filled UK churches in our family and a vision from God to dare to believe Him for 1000 churches in this nation and also churches of 1000's. In our nation of 60 million people, how can we ask God for anything less?

      virgoTerry opened his message by reading Hebrews 11:23-26 - I think he even read it in the ESV rather than his customary NASB. Men and women of faith are paraded before us in this chapter. Terry immediately addressed the so-called "faith movement" where people associate faith with obtaining or claiming things from God. He made the point that the goal here was reaching heaven, not accumulating things in this world! Terry said that the idea of getting more and more from God is, in fact, not the key in this chapter. "This chapter is not simply about getting, claiming, and receiving; it's about making huge decisions rooted in things you know."

      The first act of faith was Moses refusing by faith - he didn't GET anything at that point! He REFUSED something instead! In that difficult decision, he laid a foundation in his life that led to a whole community being built. "Biblical leadership is to be called, tested, and then given a sphere on the basis of what they have proved." The making of a leader is, said Terry, "making secret decisions that are often very costly." We have to allow God time in order to do a work in our soul before He will use us in leadership.

      Moses is not a young radical who hasn't thought things through - he made a decision that was based on faith. Some people think that Christianity is a set of rules to follow, but in fact it is a matter of faith! Giving up Egypt wasn't a duty or sacrifice to Moses - instead he had a different perspective that faith had given him. Terry said, "Moses was a man who had seen something better than Egypt could offer." We need this awareness to build a counter-cultural church. It is not just about stopping doing certain things that we secretly still really want to do! We have to by FAITH refuse because we have seen something vastly better and different!

      Paul put it this way: "The world is crucified to me and I to the world." 1 Timothy 6:17 tells us to put our hope in God, not the riches of this passing world. The independent choices that riches give us can stop us from needing to rely on God. We have to abandon ourselves, to fix our gaze on a future pleasure that is to come that will empower us not to be drawn aside by the fleeting pleasures the world can offer. God invests lots of lives into the care of leaders - what a terrible thing for that trust to be betrayed by a tragic fall of a leader. We have to see that God is calling us to live a better life!

      What was Moses called to do? He was called first of all to be identified with the people of God. We are to be part of a community, not just a free spirit - we have to give up our independence. Sometimes the church seems so strange and out of step with the prevailing culture. We are now outside the culture with our beliefs - we believe in a creator, in Jesus being the only way, in sex as between one man and one woman in marriage for life, in not aborting babies in their mother's wounds. This makes us aliens and strangers - outsiders. We don't belong in this culture - we are passing through. But we do not step out of society and withdraw either! Instead of stepping away, we step in and start a church! Let's turn the world upside down and as we do it, we will upset it! Terry said, "We are called to be out of step - God is saying to us, 'Come alive.'"

      We need to look for the reward. We must believe God's promises. A great future is coming for the world. World history is dependent upon US. We mustn't forget who we are. We mustn't try and adapt and make ourselves acceptable to the modern culture. We must listen to people like Matthew Paris, a well-known unbeliever who ridicules the church's changing its morality and says, quite rightly, that if Jesus stood for anything it was to be different and culturally uncomfortable! We must wake up and sound the trumpet. Let the voice be heard! We carry world history. We have the answer. We are not called to be reasonable.

      Terry ended his sermon by saying, "We have to have seen the unseen. Are you persuaded that Christ is the king of the ages? . . . live for God in this generation . . . by faith Moses refused, because he had seen something more . . . it makes sense to go into what Jesus has called us to - the reproach of Christ . . . Let's live consistent with what we have seen . . . the answer lies not in using faith to receive things . . . is it not something far more radical than that? By faith we refuse . . . God is looking for courageous people who are clear about the issues . . . God wants us free. God wants us pressing in to what will last forever."

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